and kim campbell, who was the sole woman prime minister of canada, she encountered -- she really encountered a plot of the same problems that we talk about in the book, when she ran for both leader of the party, which made her prime minister and i ran the election shortly thereafter. her attire was talked about, marital history was talk about. the fact that she was dating somebody was talked about. so when those two cultures, you see some of the same thing you see in this country. >> three of the question here? kaitlyn. >> women have had to chuckle through life. do you see this as an advantage over all? in climbing the pole ignoring the fact that they start later, maybe they won't get that far up on the greasy pole, but the flexibility -- [inaudible] -- advantage in the future. >> well, you know, a book i read about elizabeth dole describes a rhetorical style is rhetorical multitasking. even though she is not have children, i would argue she's juggled multiple roles in a way perhaps they haven't as a spouse of a candidate, for example. and so, i think successful women politicians are able to